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obama. writing, "after a status quo election in which both you and the republican majority in the house were re-elected, the american people rightly expect both parties to come together on a fair middle ground. adding the president's approach is neither balanced nor realistic. >> this is unaccept to believe have repeat performance of what they watched in horror in the summer of 2011. >> white house officials note that even erskine bowles is pulling back from the claim by boehner he is on board. in a few moments the president will be hosting the congressional ball, black tie holiday party. first time they will see him face to face in days. maybe they'll work on a compromise. >> bret: ed henry on the north lawn. thanks. let's talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations with one of the key democrats involved. chris van hol season a five-term representative from maryland. the ranking member of the house budget committee. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> bret: where do you see t
obama. writing, "after a status quo election in which both you and the republican majority in the house were re-elected, the american people rightly expect both parties to come together on a fair middle ground. adding the president's approach is neither balanced nor realistic. >> this is unaccept to believe have repeat performance of what they watched in horror in the summer of 2011. >> white house officials note that even erskine bowles is pulling back from the claim by...
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the truth is, what the american people want and they have said in the election, you know, obama did win a major victory and the issue being debated was whether the wealthy are going to start paying their fair share of tacks what poll after poll says do not cut can social security and medicare and medicaid. ask the wealthy and large corporations to start paying their taxes. further, let's not forget, as a result of these rather bad agreements in 2010 and 2011, though i voted against, we've already cut a trillion dollars in programs for working families. >> you're right. the american people have said in the election as well as in the polling, 82% oppose reducing social security benefits. 67% oppose raising medicare eligibility age and 60% support raising taxes on the wealthy. so it doesn't even make political sense. >> that's what i don't get. and the other point, al, when they talk about changing the formula, so-called chain cpi for social security, let me tell you what it means. i want everybody to hear this. it means that if you're 65 today -- and this is going to go into effect immedi
the truth is, what the american people want and they have said in the election, you know, obama did win a major victory and the issue being debated was whether the wealthy are going to start paying their fair share of tacks what poll after poll says do not cut can social security and medicare and medicaid. ask the wealthy and large corporations to start paying their taxes. further, let's not forget, as a result of these rather bad agreements in 2010 and 2011, though i voted against, we've...
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they re-elected him. but the white house has said that the rates don't have to return to clinton era levels. obama's nemesis as he often told us are millionaires and billionaires. so why not urge that the higher tax rates be applied only to those with incomes of $1 million and not the couples earning more than $250,000. now, i'm talking pure politics, not equity in this case. can they hang their hat on the fact, okay, you're against millionaires, we'll take back their cut for the millionaires? below that they have to get the deal. >> the problem with this is chuck schumer and other senate democrats tried to offer this to republicans last time. remember the last time we did this they rejected it. >> it works for them now. they can say all we want is the schumer deal. >> right now they don't have the leverage to get the schumer deal. they rejected the schumer deal. they don't have the leverage to get it. >> here we disagree. i think they may have a case. if the bogey man is the millionaire -- >> i think tha
they re-elected him. but the white house has said that the rates don't have to return to clinton era levels. obama's nemesis as he often told us are millionaires and billionaires. so why not urge that the higher tax rates be applied only to those with incomes of $1 million and not the couples earning more than $250,000. now, i'm talking pure politics, not equity in this case. can they hang their hat on the fact, okay, you're against millionaires, we'll take back their cut for the millionaires?...
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it strikes me when you think back to 2010 when obama went along with extending the bush tax cuts for two more years. he was adamant back then, this is it and i'm doing it for two more years and i'm going to run for re-election and make them go away for rich americans. that's not acceptable to the white house, $800 billion from so-called tax reform. >> well, steve, i mean, you put it sole well i don't know how to improve on that. that's my first reaction, is that the absence of any l giving any ground on the rates mean we haven't moved that far here. i think that that's the key sticking point here. you know, as a matter of -- a lot of what's happening here is a duel in public opinion and the media, who looks like they're reaching out and who gets blamed if things get ugly. i think the republicans are trying to put a veneer of specificity to look like they're -- i think obama did a good job in the last several days saying republicans rntd putting anything the on the table. they're trying to check that box, but the absence of any give on the rates just doesn't really move us that much c
it strikes me when you think back to 2010 when obama went along with extending the bush tax cuts for two more years. he was adamant back then, this is it and i'm doing it for two more years and i'm going to run for re-election and make them go away for rich americans. that's not acceptable to the white house, $800 billion from so-called tax reform. >> well, steve, i mean, you put it sole well i don't know how to improve on that. that's my first reaction, is that the absence of any l...
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obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re-election under his belt and is this the way it's going to go, nor mr. nice guy approach? >> i think the president believes very strongly that we can't repeat the mistakes of the past. that going back to tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, hoping that trickles down the rest of us have failed us for well over a decade. what we need to do instead is be serious about protecting the middle class and the republicans agree with that. don't hold those tax breaks for millionaires hostage. let's reduce taxes for the middle class. that's something that we all agree on fine let's get it done. if we believe we need to make certain investments which we do to grow the economy, in infrastructure and innovation and making sure america is always on the cutting
obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re-election under his belt and is this the way it's going to go, nor mr. nice guy approach? >> i think the president believes very strongly that we...
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president obama did talk about climate change in his election night speech. there are signs that he thinks about this as kind of a legacy issue. he's someone who cares a lot about his legacy. this would be sort of a decade, century-long issue that would cement his place. >> ifill: we'll see what he does next, if anything. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> brown: again, the major developments of the day: house republicans made a counter-offer on how to avoid the "fiscal cliff." it calls for $2.2 trillion in savings over ten years, but no hike in tax rates. and the u.n. announced it's pulling nonessential international staffers from syria, while u.s. officials warned the syrian government not to use chemical weapons on its people. online, an update to a law in saudi arabia renews a debate about male guardianship. hari sreenivasan has more. >> sreenivasan: now whenever a saudi woman leaves the country, her husband or father receives a text message. the recent changes to the long- held system of male guardianship sparked outrage on twitter recently.
president obama did talk about climate change in his election night speech. there are signs that he thinks about this as kind of a legacy issue. he's someone who cares a lot about his legacy. this would be sort of a decade, century-long issue that would cement his place. >> ifill: we'll see what he does next, if anything. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> brown: again, the major developments of the day: house republicans made a counter-offer on how to avoid the...
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obama, who won the election with an overwhelming electoral college mandate has put forward exactly what he campaigned on, which is sensible tax reform allowing the top 2% of the tax -- of rates to increase on the top 2% of tax earners and spending cuts. we've had a trillion in spending cuts already, $800 billion additional in the drawdown from the war efforts in afghanistan and iraq, and then a number of spending proposals that obama put on the table in august of '11. consider that against what republicans are doing, and this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. they have a plan on tax reduction which most economists think would do far more harm than the obama plan would. secondly, they fail to specify what kind of cuts they want. remember, this is the party that's campaigned for two election cycles now on cutting government spinding, but when you ask them to identify exactly what you want to cut, you get mishmash from them. you get $100 billion in medicare savings by increasing the retirement age from 65 to 67. you get some unspecified sav
obama, who won the election with an overwhelming electoral college mandate has put forward exactly what he campaigned on, which is sensible tax reform allowing the top 2% of the tax -- of rates to increase on the top 2% of tax earners and spending cuts. we've had a trillion in spending cuts already, $800 billion additional in the drawdown from the war efforts in afghanistan and iraq, and then a number of spending proposals that obama put on the table in august of '11. consider that against what...
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>> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the fiscal cliff. this wasn't a campaign issue. no one even talked about it. >> stephanie: right. >> the idea that this is all obama's fault. it has nothing to do with the $3 trillion war paid for with taxes. >> stephanie: eric boehlert remains in the sidecar. we continue with right-wing world next on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: it's really weird but it's also the coolest thing i've ever heard in my whole life. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. ♪ here she come now say mony mony ♪ >> stephanie: oh you didn't put in the other part. okay. >> i like our s.e.c. license. >> stephanie: 1-800-steph-12 the
>> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the fiscal cliff. this wasn't a campaign issue. no one even talked about it. >> stephanie: right. >> the idea that this is all obama's fault. it has nothing to do with the $3 trillion war paid for with taxes. >> stephanie: eric boehlert remains in the...
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one of the problems with president obama he rolled out of this election thinking he won the election, he can can set the terms of conversation. he needs to remember the republicans control the house of representatives. they understand their political fate is tied to working with the president and being bipartisan. there are certain things they >> first of all, let me say that republicans and democrats have to stop drawing lines in the sand. they have to get in a room and talk to each other. we'll have to make difficult decisions. we have to increase revenue and we have to reduce government spending. those are both facts. that means the lines in the sand both sides are drawing are going to have to stop being drawn and we'll have to reach consensus. the president put forward a proposal he believes will work. republicans need to put forward their proposal. let's start talking instead of drawing lines in the sand. jon: you found irony the fact that michael geithner, the treasury secretary has been sent to be the emissary on all this. >> tim geithner. jon: i'm sorry. >> point man for raisi
one of the problems with president obama he rolled out of this election thinking he won the election, he can can set the terms of conversation. he needs to remember the republicans control the house of representatives. they understand their political fate is tied to working with the president and being bipartisan. there are certain things they >> first of all, let me say that republicans and democrats have to stop drawing lines in the sand. they have to get in a room and talk to each...
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election to a second term has emerged as a different kind of negotiator. you know the criticism regarding the democrats not to stand united as a strong fist in the past with different negotiations. are we seeing a different strategy this time around where you put it all on the table and force the republicans' hand? >> well, the difference is, tamron, we just came out a presidential election where the issues we're talking about are central to the campaign. it wasn't a secret he thought we should have a balanced approach to look at the deficit and higher income individuals need to pay more. if we don't ask, everybody else is hit harder. the president is coming off a victory, and it's very clear that on this specific issue the overwhelming majority of the american people support him. so that's a big difference. as we come to the end of this fiscal cliff, republicans have to choose. do they call for $5 trillion in tax increases over the next ten years or are they going to allow the middle class tax cuts to proceed? that's their choice, and i think people like
election to a second term has emerged as a different kind of negotiator. you know the criticism regarding the democrats not to stand united as a strong fist in the past with different negotiations. are we seeing a different strategy this time around where you put it all on the table and force the republicans' hand? >> well, the difference is, tamron, we just came out a presidential election where the issues we're talking about are central to the campaign. it wasn't a secret he thought we...
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this is clearly a different president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step. a down payment. ironically they all know what -- in the big picture needs to be done. they know you have to fix entitlements, do something on the tax side, but they're trying to figure out how to get from here to there. >> and let's just stop the
this is clearly a different president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the...
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john tweets says the re-election of president obama was the top story of 2012. susie was the most interesting was the facebook ip ochtd and t and the tech glitch that ensued. i'm sure we'll wrap it all up as we normally do in between christmas an new year. let's remind you where we stand ahead of the u.s. open. we had a pretty good november all told. ftse up nearly 1.5%, dax up 2%. it is monday, so it does mean eurozone finance ministers are having a meeting in brussels. and they're hearing details of the bond buy back plan from greece. grooe greek prime minister says pension funds won't take part, but the banks should benefit from the voluntary buy back thanks to a liquidity boost. under the proposed program, athens will use bailout cash to purchase around 30 billion euros of debt for a lesser price than if creditors had held bonds until maturity. and over in spain, we're seeing yields lower today. 5.2%. rajoy has warned it will achieve the deficit target agreed with the eu. he said he couldn't guarantee there would nobody further spending cuts and he would not
john tweets says the re-election of president obama was the top story of 2012. susie was the most interesting was the facebook ip ochtd and t and the tech glitch that ensued. i'm sure we'll wrap it all up as we normally do in between christmas an new year. let's remind you where we stand ahead of the u.s. open. we had a pretty good november all told. ftse up nearly 1.5%, dax up 2%. it is monday, so it does mean eurozone finance ministers are having a meeting in brussels. and they're hearing...
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let it happen before the election because as you remember, obama would have no chance of getting elected if this happened. so i said, it must happen before. they allowed it to happen after. the democrats now don't care. i think they want to go over the cliff, raise taxes, and that's going to be the end of that. i don't see the republicans having the cards. other than they have a debt ceiling card a month later. and again, that's something that should have happened before the election and if you remember, on your show i was saying, don't let this -- from a negotiating standpoint, this was a total disaster. and by the way, the little girl, i thought it was amazing the way that dolphin released her immediately. when he realized. and i smell lawsuit coming all the way. and i think it's a shame because that dolphin went after the box and obviously released that little girl beautifully. i think the dolphin has to be given credit. >> brian: if you see that dolphin, pet him. >> that dolphin looks pretty good. >> brian: the economy in florida, that's great place, one of the great places to bring
let it happen before the election because as you remember, obama would have no chance of getting elected if this happened. so i said, it must happen before. they allowed it to happen after. the democrats now don't care. i think they want to go over the cliff, raise taxes, and that's going to be the end of that. i don't see the republicans having the cards. other than they have a debt ceiling card a month later. and again, that's something that should have happened before the election and if you...
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everyone else in the system has an election and obama doesn't. so as his capital goes down and his vision gets wider, historically everyone else is getting narrower to that -- it not even to election day in '14 but to primary day. >> with all that said, lee, you look at the deal, as michael said, the president came out big. not only does he want taxes to go up on the wealthy but stimulus spending, the power to raise the debt ceiling. where is the middle ground? who blinks on these questions of taxes? >> everyone is doubling down and waiting for the other side to blink first. that's why we'll push this. this could be all choreographed. we don't know what's happening with the side conversations. both sides will probably give. everyone knows that will be the case. the president has a lot of leverage. he, of course, doesn't have absolute leverage but has more than he had. learned a lesson in 2001. he's coming out of the gate with strong rhetoric. >> michael? >> if you took grover out of the equation and lowered the flame, how long do you think it wou
everyone else in the system has an election and obama doesn't. so as his capital goes down and his vision gets wider, historically everyone else is getting narrower to that -- it not even to election day in '14 but to primary day. >> with all that said, lee, you look at the deal, as michael said, the president came out big. not only does he want taxes to go up on the wealthy but stimulus spending, the power to raise the debt ceiling. where is the middle ground? who blinks on these...
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president obama won overwhelmingly. bairningz refuses to listen to the american people, showing no leadership, no backbone no set of balls unwilling to do what he should do as leader. we have been putting the strong message out to john boehner, you are a lose her. either lead or get out of the way. lead or resign. asking to you resign john boehner. >> if you would like to call 202-225-0600. >> that's a line straight to the speaker's. if you want to find him on twitter, @speakerboehner. if you want to write him an e-mail speaker.gov/contact. if you weren't able to write that down or remember it, we are tweeting it right now, @bpshow. we will have everything there for you. you can go to him. reach out and touch someone, john boehner. >> john boehner today. we will have it up on our website. you have been to be able to give 100% americans tax cut on the first $250,000 worth of income. that bill has passed the senate. bi-partisan vote. president says he will sign it. only thing standing in the way is john boehner. john boeh
president obama won overwhelmingly. bairningz refuses to listen to the american people, showing no leadership, no backbone no set of balls unwilling to do what he should do as leader. we have been putting the strong message out to john boehner, you are a lose her. either lead or get out of the way. lead or resign. asking to you resign john boehner. >> if you would like to call 202-225-0600. >> that's a line straight to the speaker's. if you want to find him on twitter,...
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show that, in fact, president obama was elected primarily because people felt that he was compassionate, that he cares about them. and that's an important quality. but, in fact, they endorsed the fiscal approach that governor romney suggested, which was that we need to grow. we need to have a tax policy that makes sense. we need to tackle -- >> polling also shows that people think the richest americans should pay more taxes. clearly. there's no doubt at all on that. so let's go back to secretary gutierrez. what is the -- what is the give? what are republicans putting on the table in terms of specifics? because the democrats charge republicans haven't really -- you know, that they've laid out something. maybe the republicans hate it. but now republicans have to lay out something. what are republicans specifically willing to cut? >> i think that speaker boehner went a long way by saying we are going to put revenues on the table. and, soledad, the obama administration very cleverly has made this a debate about tax increases. i wish that the explainer in chief who explains very well, i wish
show that, in fact, president obama was elected primarily because people felt that he was compassionate, that he cares about them. and that's an important quality. but, in fact, they endorsed the fiscal approach that governor romney suggested, which was that we need to grow. we need to have a tax policy that makes sense. we need to tackle -- >> polling also shows that people think the richest americans should pay more taxes. clearly. there's no doubt at all on that. so let's go back to...
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. >> president obama owes president clinton a great deal for helping him get elected. number one, we need a meaningful citizen education engagement effort with the white house in formada, next year to build the case for a grand bargain. the official version of what i did and what my colleagues did over the last several months and we need congressional hearings that will set the stage for tax reforms, social security reform and the president needs to negotiate privately and have discussions with congressional leaders of both parties privately. those three things can get us to the promt promise land. and without all three of those, we're in trouble. >> but, david, that is exactly what was supposed to happen between july of 2011 and today. and guess what? none of it has happened. none of it. we're having the same conversation. >> you know what? >> only the president can lead. only the president can lead. >> he has the pen. he has joe's pen. >> mine is a viagra pen. wouldn't that be embarrassing if he held that up and said i have a pen? >> i don't know why you have a viagr
. >> president obama owes president clinton a great deal for helping him get elected. number one, we need a meaningful citizen education engagement effort with the white house in formada, next year to build the case for a grand bargain. the official version of what i did and what my colleagues did over the last several months and we need congressional hearings that will set the stage for tax reforms, social security reform and the president needs to negotiate privately and have...
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the problem that you have is right or wrong, obama has just won the election on that basic pledge to raise taxes. >> wrong, wrong, wrong! you know what, that makes no sense. how many people do you know that said i'm going to vote for the president to have more debt, and in an economy that can't grow it's way out of the issues? we currently only take in about 15.5% revenues. we need to get to 2021. >> i understand that. >> it's not a tax problem, it's a growth problem. and he has no growth plan. so then they blame others, because they don't have a plan. >> but he was able to get through the election doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the last three days, jobless
the problem that you have is right or wrong, obama has just won the election on that basic pledge to raise taxes. >> wrong, wrong, wrong! you know what, that makes no sense. how many people do you know that said i'm going to vote for the president to have more debt, and in an economy that can't grow it's way out of the issues? we currently only take in about 15.5% revenues. we need to get to 2021. >> i understand that. >> it's not a tax problem, it's a growth problem. and he...
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you talked about presidents from obama to george w. bush, bill clinton, all objecting to settlement on that spot and getting his assurances from israel that it wouldn't be built on, so why now? tough talking? election coming up? what happened in the u.n.? what's the feeling there? >> well, certainly the israelis have made no secret of the fact that this is a direct punitive measure for what happened at the u.n. last thursday where, of course, the palestinians managed get an upgraded status there in the u.n. general assembly going to nonmember observer state. of course, the word state there is the operative one for the palestinians. the palestinians now say they do, in fact, have a state which is a taertory that is defined as the west bank, gaza, and east jerusalem. so, therefore, the palestinians are saying that this obviously would make the implementation of this state all but impossible because they say it would be impossible for them to even reach their capital that they want to have, which is, of course, east jerusalem. this is cer
you talked about presidents from obama to george w. bush, bill clinton, all objecting to settlement on that spot and getting his assurances from israel that it wouldn't be built on, so why now? tough talking? election coming up? what happened in the u.n.? what's the feeling there? >> well, certainly the israelis have made no secret of the fact that this is a direct punitive measure for what happened at the u.n. last thursday where, of course, the palestinians managed get an upgraded...